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16-10-10, 06:01 PM
i know i shouldnt have done this but i actully once told my brother that chicken in australia is halal as a sheik has gave a fatwa that its halal.(a brother from revesby thats trustworthy told me this). my brother has told many of his friends that mervat says"chicken in australia is halal" even tho i said that i feel i shouldnt have..now its just gona spread around like fire?? is this fatwa true?? and btw he just got me a chicken burger from a non halal macs teling me i said it was halal? what do i do???
16-10-10, 08:46 PM
dont stress your self over it sis, it can be fixed easily, just tell your bro to stop telling people it is and just repent and do dua, thats the only thing you can do
i found this fatwa on Islamqa which is well worded reagdring haroum or halaal food, InshAllah it helps you
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly: it is better for you to buy the meat you need from Muslims, because this is more on the safe side and there is less likely to be any doubt concerning it. You will also be helping the Muslims to continue their work for which there is a need in the western countries. Moreover, the Muslims undoubtedly deserve this business more than others. It is sufficient for the Muslim to feel that he is renewing his bonds of faith with his Muslim brothers every time he forsakes the stores that are owned by kuffaar that may be closer to him or sell goods for cheaper prices, to buy from his brothers in faith. See question no. 9205 (http://www.sydneymuslimyouth.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=9205).
Secondly: If the non-Muslim butcher is not from among the People of the Book, then meat slaughtered by him is not halaal. If he is from among the People of the Book, Jewish or Christian, then meat slaughtered by him is halaal.
Ibn Qudaamah said: The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible to eat meat slaughtered by the People of the Book, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you” [al-Maa'idah 5:5]. Al-Bukhaari said: Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Their food” means meat slaughtered by them. Al-Mughni, 13/293.
After that we do not need to ask them about the way in which they slaughtered it, because the basic principle is that their slaughter is valid because it was done by them as People of the Book. See question no. 20805 (http://www.sydneymuslimyouth.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=20805).
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is proven in Saheeh al-Bukhaari (no. 5507) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “Some people bring meat to us, and we do not know if they mentioned the name of Allaah or not.” He said: “Say it yourselves then eat.”
I [Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen is speaking] say: They were new in Islam, and they did not know whether they had said the name of Allaah or not, so he said: “Say it yourselves, then eat.” So eating it is permissible even if we do not know whether the one who slaughtered the meat mentioned the name of Allaah or not. Similarly it is permissible to eat even if we do not know whether the meat was slaughtered in the proper manner or not, because if the action is carried out by the right people then the basic principle is that it is valid, unless there is evidence to the contrary. So if some meat comes to us from a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian, we should not ask about it or ask how it was slaughtered or whether the name of Allaah was mentioned over it. It is halaal so long as there is no clear proof that it is haraam. This is a way in which Allaah has made things easier for us. Liqaa’aat al-Baab il-Maftooh, 1/77
It is clear from this that if you buy from this store and eat the food of the one from whom you buy it, there is nothing wrong with that and you do not need to ask him about the way in which the meat was slaughtered, unless you become certain that he has slaughtered it in a manner that is not prescribed, such as stunning the animal until it dies and so on. But it is better to buy from the Muslim as stated above.
And Allaah is the Source of strength.
16-10-10, 08:51 PM
read this as well sis
end of the day, better if you get your own and slaughter it yourself as the salaf did
16-10-10, 09:27 PM
may ALLAH reward you brother, inshALLAH I will do as you said. May ALLAH guide me.
people of the book?? so that means i can eat from my neighbours food if shes a jew or christian?? or am i misunderstanding?
16-10-10, 09:54 PM
well, thats what it says there, but ill only do that out of necessity
17-10-10, 10:51 AM
well, thats what it says there, but ill only do that out of necessity
There is an opinion that we can eat from the Jews and Christians but only when it is necessary . For e.g if you need to travel a long distance in order to obtain your meat from a muslim but you've got a local 'Christian' butcher then this ruling may be applicable here. It's best to benefit your muslim butchery isnt it? So if you live close to an Islamic butchery inshallah then might aswell buy from them. By the way it's not befitting for a muslim to go out there asking 'Muslim' butcher's if they sell halal meat or not.
17-10-10, 11:01 AM
yeh i remember sheik mustafa saying that once.
17-10-10, 11:33 AM
well thats what sheikh abu ayman said the amir of ASWJ that all chicken in Aus is halal. then i hear that only big name places are like maccas and etc..
me personally won't eat all chicken, i don't feel up to it. Allah knows best.
17-10-10, 12:14 PM
so it was abu ayman..like i dont feel up to it to but if a sheik gives a fatwa and we go by that fatwa is it wrong on us or the one who gave the fatwa?
17-10-10, 01:02 PM
i have no idea, but if a sheikh as mentioned it, also the brother that i know said they investigated it in depth and came to this conclusion. so if is wrong i don't think it is our fault, its like getting meat from a so called halal place and in the end his really not halal. will we get judge?? or the person?? thats the question we ask ourselves. i also ask Sheikh jimil he came back from medinah i think 2 years ago, since i didn't hear directly from abu ayman, i was saying im going to get mic chicken burger from lidcome maccas he said why go all the way down there just go down the road, i said its not halal, he said shiekh abu ayman said all chicken in aus halal and he also heard it from sheikh feiz.
these are shakys we learn from so i think they have more knowledge then us to say this halal or not. Allahu Al'em. i still fill uncomfortable eating chicken from anywhere.
17-10-10, 01:21 PM
well the brother i asked (from revesby) he said sheik khalid from aswj said he gave the fatwa so i guess all aswj are on that opinion ALLAHU a3lam.. and i know for sure that aswj are strict when it comes to ruling on something, and if they have done the works for us and in depth studied it, then i guess chicken is aloud and i dont really have to tell my brother that he cant eat it rite??...
17-10-10, 03:33 PM
^^ Insh'Allah. these are sheikhs, don't forget each country is different, obviously if the sheikh's are giving this ruling the have studied and came upon this decision then all we can say is its all good Insh'Allah.
20-10-10, 04:34 AM
Don't stress yourself out about it - The answer was adequately answered by the IslamQA & the opinion of Shaykh Uthaymeen Rahimuhu Allah (posted by Bro Usud). I don't think you said anything to your brother that contradicted the ruling.
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